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Luise

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2011-02-08 5-01-21-

I was going to let this sleeping dog lie, but since you brought it up I feel like I must speak out. Barack says he'll set up a federal civil union so that "all the rights that are CONFERRED BY THE STATES are the same for gays and lesbians" So basiy if you live in of the 45 states with a constitutional amendment or law proclaiming marriage to be "between man and woman", then you will not benefit from Barack's federal civil union because there are NO rights conferred by your state. Baracks answer to the same sex marriage question in the HRC questionaire (from his website) includes the following confusing and (intentionally?) misleading statement, "If I was President, I would OPPOSE ANY EFFORT TO STIFLE A STATE'S ABILITY TO DECIDE THIS QUESTION ON THEIR OWN". Sounds like DOUBLE SPEAK to me and that is why HRC is on his ass! Will the real Barack please step forward.
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2011-02-10 18-57-01

Personally, I hope they join hands and we walk off into the sunset with a mandate. However, it is a matter of who is on the top of the ticket. There is still alot about Barack we don't know, yes he is very charasmatic, but we know what is in Hill's closet and we have seen her perform under enormous pressure. Not to mention, it is time for a woman to be President!
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2011-02-10 19-06-13

it's all personal I oppose marriage in any form, so I'm not overly interested in civil unions or any other type or legalization of unity.
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  • Adiana

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    2011-02-11 6-00-19-

    So because you are not interested in equal rights for you, nobody in your state should have them either. Hmmm, odd logic. For me it is really about medical benefits, social security benefits, how property gets passed, taxation, etc... Equal rights are equal rights and we should be affored the same regardless of sexual orientation.
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    2011-02-12 20-59-07

    Does anyone know if the CA Supreme Court has ruled yet, or when they are going to rule?
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    2011-02-21 11-54-12

    marriage isn't equal Marriage affords rights to a couple that an individual doesn't get; tax breaks, social status, discounts on insurance to name a few. I don't think the government should be handing out treats and favors to those who have happened to find their happily ever after and want to legalize it. I understand WHY marriage was legalized to begin with, but I don't agree with it. Also, my logic is based on my own ideas about what I think is right. I don't vote for others. I know plenty of folks who disagree with my political stances, and I'm not voting for them - I'm voting for my own political agenda. I happen to think that my political agenda is pretty humanitarian, but I realize others may disagree and that's ok.
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    2011-03-17 19-57-13

    You are right in some ways it does have over x benefits that are not afforded to single people. But it is not in anyway a financial windfall. In fact many married filing jointly couples pay more tax than single people especially income homes. It is only beneficial for those who can afford to have income because the other person is a dependent of the breadwinner. What marriage equality is about is the other thousand benefits like inheritance, property, and pension(IRA, xk...) benefits.
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    2011-03-24 11-38-27

    I know, I'm divorced I was married to a male partner for almost x years, and just got divorced last October - so I know personally many of those benefits of which you write. I am now discovering a lot more benefits that I didn't even realize I had before - for example, my car insurance just went up $x/year because I am now legally single. We were just upper middle class, but my now-ex husband and I both paid significantly less taxes when married than currently, and we were a two-income home. I want PERSONAL equality, not couple equality.
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    2011-05-21 4-52-22-

    You are SO missing the point!!! (rolls eyes)
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  • Zahid

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    2011-07-17 3-52-29-

    no your car ins went up because you are not insuring x cars and a home or renters ins blablabla. You have personal equality. You can collect your retirement benefits and be with your self in the hospital. You obviously have never known someone who spent their life with someone and been denied a pension. Or who had to buy their home back from a uninvolved relative who thought they had more rights than the long term partner. You come off as very selfish with this woe is me attitude toward marriage equality. I hope you never face these challenges.
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    2011-08-25 7-09-12-

    You really don't get it at all. Yes, single people face financial discrimination, but they face it regardless of sexual orientation. Only same-sex couples face a loss of rights and privileges, not straight couples. And the fact of the matter is, all the Estate Planning and medical proxies don't mean shit if a family member challenges them in court.
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    2011-10-12 13-43-33

    I get your point I just don't agree with your opinion of the solution. Estate Planning documents will in fact hold up in court if drafted correctly under the laws of the state that they were created in. Now, if you have estate planning documents from Arizona and move to Texas, you need to get new ones in Texas - but this is the same for everyone, gay and straight.
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    2012-02-03 22-03-08

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    2012-03-07 6-12-51-

    not that it means anything but I'm with you on this snap squared. Why should there be tax breaks and benefits for people who choose to be married? Maybe I don't believe in the institution but I want the same rights? Maybe we should all carry a card on us that states who we want allowed in the hospital or to make life decisions for us. But as far as the insurance, I don't know if they can up your insurance payment for being divorced. You may want to ask them about that. Seems odd to me. What state are you in? I know mine went down when my ex husband and I were both buying insurance from the same company. We both had plan together essentially. And it also went up when I moved to a more risky area - ie to the city.
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    2012-05-14 12-26-10

    but seriously marriage is a contract and the legal benefits that come with it have come about because humans (women and slaves at first)needed protection under the law. We still today need to protect the rights of individuals who choose to enter into contracts with other individuals. You as a single person can collect a larger amount of SS( not that it will be there) get a larger amount of aid for retirement health benefits, are able to deduct a larger portion of mortgage interest, have a higher standard deduction, can have a higher income and qualify for IRA and Roth IRA plans among a shitton of other rights. The tax system is on the side of the single individual. Also notice iffolks who were married separate and file separate they are penalized by our fare tax institution until the year after the divorce is finalized. Not the case for single folks breaking up with their partners. For a bit of history read this: For a better understanding read this. Public Vows A History of Marriage and the Nation Nancy F. Cott
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    2012-08-31 12-34-28

    That is NOT EVEN THE POINT! The argument is not if we should give single people the same benefits as married people. The argument is we should have the same rights as "married" homosexuals as the rights of a marriage between a man and a woman.
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    2012-10-06 17-59-16

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